With all due respect, Mr. Irving, if the attachment, taken from YOUR invitation, to YOUR "Real History" conference, is a "photograph" of a "human being", well, then I am a horse's ass. I have enlarged it and improved the contrast. The figure was obviously drawn onto the photograph with a black marking pen, and very badly, too. My daughter could draw better than that at the age of 5. It looks like the artist was a mongoloid.

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Really, you amaze me in more ways than one. So much for the "Real History" conference on the events of September 11, and the competence of the various experts scheduled to speak thereat. The contents of the so-called "note" might be of some interest if Mossad didn't have so many people who can write Arabic.

I say: YOU prove the existence of the "suicide pilots", whether 10 or 19, AND the authenticity and origin of the note, and THEN we will analyze what it purports to say, in Arabic. As for the collapse of the building, the question is not: why did it collapse so quickly; the question is: why did it collapse at all? The Empire State Building did not collapse when struck by a very large and very heavily armoured American bomber (I believe it was a B-29) in 1945, and it never occurred to anyone that it COULD collapse.

As for the "suicide pilots", it was discovered by the so-called Japanese kamikaze pilots (who were at least skilled pilots, unlike those 19 ignorant Arabs, or 10 ignorant Arabs, if you prefer, who had been kicked out of flying school and could not fly a Cessna) is that the principal problem involved in suicide piloting is that an involuntary reflex causes the pilot to close his eyes at the last second, and this causes the pilot to miss the target, at incomparably lower speeds.

In fact, many or most kamikazes did precisely that: miss the target, in nearly every case. The target was the ammunition port in the upper deck of the ship: a plane crashing through the ammunition port could cause the entire ship to explode, which very rarely happened.

I recall another incident (reported in the Financial Times) in which 200 Japanese tourists were killed over Antarctica because someone reprogrammed the computer and forget to inform the pilot, who was 200 miles off course, and flew straight into the side of a mountain. This happened on November 28, 1979.

It therefore seems obvious to me that those planes could only have been controlled electronically. It was all too perfect. It was like watching a kid doing stunts with a remote-controlled model airplane. If the technology exists for a kid's toy, it exists for a commercial airliner. Perhaps you have heard of the Global Hawk, an unmanned, computer-controlled aircraft capable of flying up to 15,000 miles at attitudes of up to 63,000 feet? It is being used in Afghanistan.

A professional pilot interviewed immediately after these events stated that, at that speed, the hand-eye coordination would have required "extraordinary flying skill, with or without automatic pilot". Skill at flying is something those Arabs did not have, even assuming that they were not Mossad agents. And spending their last night on earth spending 50 dollars in a strip joint, really.... the whole story is an insult to Moslems.

IF those planes were being flown by human beings, the pilots were obviously skilled and experienced commercial airline pilots or skilled and experienced fighter jet pilots, and probably both, neither of which can be alleged about the so-called "suicide pilots". As you may know, the passenger lists have been published and there were no Arab names. Also, how did the FBI identify them all in less than 2 days?

Whoever did it had to know the flight patterns, everything. They had to turn the planes up to 180 degrees immediately after takeoff, without hitting anything. A nice trick for a few ignorant Arabs. In short, the whole story is a hoax: like the "sneak attack" on Pearl Harbor, provoked, planned, and desired by the President of the United States as a pretext to cause a war. Many similar incidents could be adduced: the Maine, the Lusitania, the provocation of mass civilian bombing during WWII, the Tonkin Gulf Incident, the destruction of the Alfred P. Murrah building at Oklahoma City, etc. etc. etc. McVeigh's concoction could have blown the facade off the building, but that is all. Incidentally, he was arrested, not because he rented the truck, but because he checked into a motel room (see pages 114 and 106 of the report mentioned below). Federal agents knew who he was from the very beginning. The building was destroyed by demolition charges, obviously planted by Federal agents, after which the building was demolished and the wreckage BURIED, at THREE SEPARATE LOCATIONS, BEHIND A SECURITY FENCE. Sound familiar?

You yourself have mentioned similar destruction of evidence in the TWA-800 incident. Of course the wreckage of the WTC is being sold for scrap. A forensic report would be ordered in an ordinary automobile accident, especially one involving a fatality; but not in a "casus belli" obviously designed to re-elect Bush, start a war, and destroy all enemies of Israel, domestic and foreign, through the simple expedient of turning America into a police state (PATRIOT, the Office of Homeland Security, etc. etc, with a budget of 37 billion dollars, 170,000 employees, and an anticipated 4 million civilian spies, including your friendly postman, Fedex, and all other delivery men).

How very very handy. Handy for the Israelis, that is. The Arabs aren't that smart, but they aren't stupid either, so really.... cui bono?

Skyscrapers have existed since the 1920s and have been attacked by aircraft throughout the 20th century. The properties of steel girders are well known. The possibility of collision with civilian or military aircraft is always taken into consideration in the design of any tall structure: that is why they have red lights on the top.

So I don't believe I will fly 2000 miles to visit a negro slum known chiefly for its race riots, ride on a fake riverboat on a river so polluted it has been known to catch fire, eat an expensive dinner, stay in an expensive hotel, and listen to "expert speakers" at an exceedingly expensive conference. It is very kind of you to invite me, but I must respectfully decline.

Please do not interpret this as a reflection upon your competence in any other field or as being in any way disrespectful.

[Source of information: defense testimony, Tokyo Trial, pp. 43,607-21].

I quote: "An incorrect computer-stored flight plan resulted in a navigational error directing the flight towards Mt. Erebus".

[Source of information:

Search for "plane crash Antarctica" on www.google.com

Radio remote-controlled "toys" have been used as terrorist devices for over 30 years, for example, the remote-controlled bombing assassination of Francisco Franco’s intended successor, General Carrerro Blanco, in Madrid, in 1975. To combat these "toys", the British Army uses specially designed radio frequency "sweep" devices.

[Source of information: Sinn Fein, 55 Falls Road, Belfast]

It seems obvious to me, that those 9-11 planes could only have been controlled electronically. It was all too perfect. It was like watching a kid doing stunts with a remote-controlled model airplane. If the technology exists for a kid's toy, it exists for a commercial airliner. Perhaps you have heard of the Global Hawk, an unmanned, computer-controlled aircraft capable of flying up to 15,000 miles at attitudes of up to 63,000 feet? It is being used in Afghanistan. [Just search for "Global Hawk" on google].

Skill at flying is something those Arabs did not have, even assuming that they were not Mossad agents. And spending their last night on earth spending 50 dollars in a strip joint, really.... the whole story is an insult to Moslems. Oh, and then there’s the "suicide passport" found blocks from "ground zero" at the WTC, the "suicide note" checked into the "suicide luggage" on the "suicide plane", asking Negro crop dusters how they start their planes, and all sorts of other fun and games.

In short, the whole story is a hoax: like the "sneak attack" on Pearl Harbor, provoked, planned, and desired by the President of the United States as a pretext to cause a war. Many similar incidents could be adduced: the Maine, the Lusitania, the provocation of mass civilian bombing during WWII, the Tonkin Gulf Incident, the destruction of the Alfred P. Murrah building at Oklahoma City, etc. etc. etc. McVeigh's concoction could have blown the facade off the building, but that is all. Incidentally, he was arrested, not because he rented the truck, but because he checked into a motel room (see pages 114 and 106 of the report mentioned below). Federal agents knew who he was from the very beginning. The building was destroyed by demolition charges, obviously planted by Federal agents, after which the building was demolished and the wreckage BURIED, at THREE SEPARATE LOCATIONS, BEHIND A SECURITY FENCE. Sound familiar?

This is in contrast to James Earl Ray’s yellow (not white) Mustang, which was kept as evidence for 25 YEARS, until the state of Tennessee decided it could no longer afford the garage bill.

According to a recent TV special, all the other evidence in the Ray case is stored in a COMBINATION-LOCKED VAULT in Tennessee, almost 35 years later. It is standard practice to keep the evidence in a serious crime. It is hard to imagine any serious legal system doing anything else.

A forensic report would be ordered in an ordinary automobile accident, especially one involving a fatality, but not in a "casus belli" obviously designed to re-elect Bush, start a war, and destroy all enemies of Israel, domestic and foreign, through the simple expedient of turning America into a police state (PATRIOT, the Office of Homeland Security, etc. etc, with a budget of 37 billion dollars, 170,000 employees, and an anticipated 4 million civilian spies, including your friendly postman, Fedex, and all other delivery men)

How very, very handy. Handy for the Israelis, that is. The Arabs aren't that smart, but they aren't stupid either, so really.... cui bono?

Incidentally, at Oklahoma City, there were two explosions. Employees in the building heard a crack, plaster fell from the ceiling, the building shook, and many people hid beneath their desks, which they later credited with saving their lives. Demolition explosives make a crack, not a boom; you can hardly hear them. Then they heard a boom, and the building collapsed. The boom was McVeigh's concoction. For this reason, in two Federal trials, NOT ONE SINGLE SURVIVOR OF THE INCIDENT was called as a witness. Sound familiar?

Over 500 of them are now SUING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR FAILING TO WARN THEM WHEN THE GOVERNMENT HAD ADVANCE NOTICE OF THE BOMBING, as proven by the fact that many people, including a Federal judge, were warned. The Social Security and HUD employees could get blown up, but not the ATBF, because none of them came to work that day. They were warned. Sound familiar?

A story was later invented about two ATBF agents who came to work and survived a six-story free fall in an elevator, a story which was later proven to be impossible, and, in point of fact, an obvious lie. Sound familiar? Of the 105 Federal employees killed in the incident, none were from the ATBF. Why? Because the ATBF planned it that way. They got what they wanted. Legislation to abolish the ATBF along with many of the Clinton-anti-gun laws was defeated; "model legislation" written by the ADL was introduced before Congress the next day. Sound familiar?

People were allowed to bleed to death while Federal agents removed explosives illegally stored in the building, as well as many crates of secret documents; rescue workers were kept away until they were finished. They also lied about the size and depth of the crater, and kept independent experts 200 feet away. Sound familiar?

Ammonium fuel oil nitrate is a blast explosive, not a demolition explosive. There are two kinds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer: you cannot tell the difference by looking at the package. To make a bomb, you must mix the fertilizer very precisely, in an extremely exact proportion, with fuel oil. But since one kind of ammonium nitrate fertilizer will not absorb the fuel oil properly, there is always a residue which will not explode. The FBI and other Federal authorities found NO RESIDUE, and performed NO FORENSIC TESTS to show what kind of explosive destroyed the building.

Many tests were indeed performed, including an attempt to destroy a much smaller reinforced-concrete building with ammonium-fuel oil nitrate; the walls were blown away but there was no collapse of the building. Detonator residues were found on McVeigh’s clothing, but a detonator is a different class of explosive: nobody uses a detonator substance to blow up an entire building. The question is not: what kind of detonator did McVeigh use on his device, or was McVeigh guilty; the question is: what kind of explosive destroyed the building? It wasn’t an ammonium nitrate fuel-oil truck bomb, regardless of size, so what was it?

Demolition explosives reduce concrete to its constituent elements of sand and silica, etc., filling the air with white dust; the steel reinforcing rods are left exposed, undamaged. This was observed at OKC and the WTC both. A blast explosive cannot do this. Ammonium nitrate is found in many different kinds of explosive, not just fuel-oil ammonium nitrate fertilizer bombs. NO ON-SITE FORENSIC TESTS were performed to determine the substance or substances which destroyed the building, severing vertical load-bearing beams up to 55 feet away, something impossible with an ammonium nitrate fuel-oil truck bomb, regardless of size. Sound familiar?

It was decided that the building was destroyed by an ammonium nitrate fuel oil bomb simply because Terry Nichols was known to have purchased ammonium nitrate fertilizer. This is like deciding that a victim was shot with at a .38 calibre revolver simply because the defendant is known to have purchased one. The Final Report of the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Committee, available for purchase over the Internet, 35 dollars softcover, from The Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, PO BOX 75697, Oklahoma City, OK 73147, Library of Congress Catalogue No. 2001117318, ISBN 0-9710513-0-5 (paperback) compares the damage caused by McVeigh's concoction from a distance of 55 feet, as compared to the damage by an identical bomb planted by the FARC in Bogotá, Colombia, from a distance of 3 feet. Conclusion: impossible.

Much of the Federal case was based upon informer testimony. One of the allegedly trustworthy informants, otherwise relied upon by the government, a drug dealer named Michael Fortier -- the SAME PERSON alleged to have obtained the "false ID" for McVeigh which was never found -- claimed that McVeigh and Nichols had been unable to detonate a milk can of the SAME MIXTURE which allegedly destroyed the building. The FBI was unable to duplicate McVeigh’s alleged results, even using much higher quality material.

OKC was a rehearsal for 9-11, that's all. The Federal authorities obtained legislation favourable to them as a result of the OKC incident, and, since nothing succeeds like success, they went on to bigger and better things. Better, that is, for Israel, Bush, and American dreams of world hegemony with a clear conscience ("God's Own Country" + "God's Chosen People" = "New World Order").

NOTE: The Final Report of the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Committee contains a very important disclaimer on p. 320: "We have never claimed that the federal government bombed their own building. That’s merely a propaganda campaign meant to discredit anyone who tries to bring the facts to light". Unfortunately, that is precisely what the Report proves whether The Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Committee likes it or not. Don’t get your information second hand off the Internet. Buy it and read it.

WARNING: The report contains a statement on p. 1 which is UNTRUE: that McVeigh rented the truck using a false ID in the name of "Bob Kling", but giving his, and Nichols’s CORRECT ADDRESS IN DECKER, MICHIGAN. Does that make sense? In fact, whoever rented the truck used a false ID and gave a SOUTH DAKOTA address (p. 114). All the truck rental and reservation forms seem to have disappeared. How very convenient.

The ID was not photocopied. The forms did not bear McVeigh's fingerprints; apparently no analysis was made of the signatures on the forms, OR the alleged ID (which has also disappeared). Presumably the false ID bore a false signature which McVeigh was capable of imitating, but we are not permitted to see the forms. We are shown no examples of McVeigh’s handwriting. A great pretense is made of identifying his signature on a motel registration form (p. 106). Meaningless documents are photographically reproduced in the Report (such as a Bundesrepublik official report on "Neo-Nazis"),* but the truck reservation and rental forms (plural) crucial to the government’s case seem to have disappeared, along with "John Doe Number Two" (almost certainly a Federal agent). How very convenient.

* Since Nichols had a Filipino wife, they would have been rejected by any "neo-Nazi" group they approached. Dennis Mahon, a Klan leader mentioned in the Report, was the object of intense criticism for many years, merely because his brother had a Filipino wife. So much for the "neo-Nazi" connection. General Ernst-Otto’s Remer’s name is misspelled twice, and he was a German general. Back to the drawing board for the genius-brains in the Bananen-republik.

The person who identified McVeigh as having rented the truck was not invited to the police line up. How very strange. And so on and so forth.

Can you really rent expensive vehicles in the USA without a credit card and without insurance, on just one ID? I tried it twice, 25 years ago, in two states, without success.

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I guess that when people are falling through space to their deaths their bodies do take on ungainly forms. The photograph is from the AP agency, unretouched. The low resolution scan is to blame.

David Irving (now writing in Key West)

USA cellphone: 305 923 6259; or tollfree in USA: 1 877 447 5678 -- email: focalp@aol.com

NOTE by C.W.P: The source of the photo appears to be the "Extra Edition" of Newsweek, pg. 9. There is no date on the "Extra Edition." There is a credit under the photo. "Richard Drew -- AP". If they are going to fake these things, why don’t they use photo-montage techniques and do a good job? Nor is there any blur, as usually seen in still photographs of rapidly moving objects, so don’t tell me the lens speed is at fault.

[CORRECTION APRIL 2007: THERE IS A FILM OF PEOPLE JUMPING; IT'S THE DRAWING USED BY IRVING THAT'S A FAKE.

ODDLY, OTHER VIDEOS SHOW NO BODIES FALLING WHATEVER.

Hmmm...

THE REAL QUESTION (although I was too polite to mention it before) IS:

IF ONE CAN'T TELL A CRUDE DRAWING FROM A PHOTOGRAPH, HOW CAN ONE TELL AN AUTHENTIC DOCUMENT FROM A CRUDE FORGERY? - C.P.]

I have, I believe, considerable experience in scanning documents, having scanned several thousand of them, both documents and photographs, and I believe I can tell you that no low-resolution scan can do that. The lowest resolution you can get is 75 dots per inch, and it's 72 dots per inch on the Internet. You get good images on the Internet. You know that. Anybody knows that.

Again, I do not impugn your competence where WWII is concerned, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree in the matter at issue.

FURTHER MESSAGE TO C.P. FROM DAVID IRVING:

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FURTHER READING:

THE LUSITANIA, by Colin Simpson, 1975

THE FINAL SECRET OF PEARL HARBOR, by Rear Admiral Robert A. Theobald

PEARL HARBOR : THE STORY OF THE SECRET WAR, by George Morgenstern, 1945

THE GENESIS OF PEARL HARBOR, by John A. Neumann, 1945

DESIGN FOR WAR : A STUDY OF SECRET POWER POLITICS 1937-1941, by Dr. Frederic R. Sanborn, 1951

ON THE TREADMILL  TO PEARL HARBOR : THE MEMOIRES OF ADMIRAL JAMES O. RICHARDSON. AS TOLD TO VICE-ADMIRAL GEORGE C. DYER, 1973.

BACK DOOR TO WAR : ROOSEVELT‘S FOREIGN POLICY 1933-1941, by Chas Callan Tansill, 1952.

THE FINAL SECRET OF PEARL HARBOR : THE WASHINGTON CONTRIBUTION TO THE JAPANESE ATTACK, by Robert O. Theobald

DAY OF DECEIT: THE TRUTH ABOUT F.D.R. AND PEARL HARBOR, by Robert B. Stinnett, 2001

PEARL HARBOR AND ITS AFTERMATH, by John Toland, 1982

THE PEARL HARBOR MYTH, by Victor George, 2006

F.D.R.: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN: HOW WE WERE TRICKED INTO WWII, by Hamilton Fish, 1976

THE ROOSELVT MYTH, by John T. Flynn, 1948

ROOSEVELT’S ROAD TO RUSSIA, by George A. Crocker, 1959

LES PHOTOS TRUQUÉES: UN SIÈCLE DE PROPAGANDE PAR L’IMAGE [Fake Photos: A Century of Propaganda Through Images], by Gerard Le Marec, 1985.

MAKING PEOPLE DISAPPEAR, by Alain Jaubert, 1989 (fake photos) ; also known as Commissaire aux archives and Bilder, die Lügen.

1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica, "EXPLOSIVES", 1922 Encyclopaedia Britannica, "EXPLOSIVES", "MUNITIONS OF WAR" (very good basic discussions of various types of traditional explosives: primary and secondary explosives, detonators, blast explosives, "brisance" i.e., the ability of certain explosives to shatter concrete, an ability which ammonium nitrate does not possess. The British used 180,000 tons of ammonium nitrate during WWI, usually mixed with other explosives).

1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica, "CUBA" (sinking of the Maine and its raising 9 years later).

THE FINAL REPORT OF THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE, P. O. BOX 75697, Oklahoma City, OK 73147.

I WAS A KAMIKAZE: The Knights of the Divine Wind, by Ryuji Nagatsuka, 1975.

PAINFUL QUESTIONS by Eric Hufschmid

PAINFUL DECEPTIONS by Eric Hufschmid (DVD)

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See also:

The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11 by David Ray Griffin

Inside Job: Unmasking the Conspiracies of 911 by Jim Marrs

9/11: The Big Lie by Thierry Mayssan

Pentagate by Thierry Mayssan

The War on Freedom: How and Why America was Attacked, September 11, 2001 by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, John Leonard

The Shadow Government: 9/11 and State Terror by Len Bracken

Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster by David Icke

Defrauding America: Encyclopedia of Secret Operations by the Cia, Dea, and Other Covert Agencies by Rodney Stich

Drugs, Oil and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia and Indochina by Peter Dale Scott

Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies and the CIA in Central America by Peter Dale Scott

The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family Exposed by Russell S. Bowen

The Dirty Truth: The Oil and Chemical Dependency of George W. Bush by Russell S. Bowen

American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush , by Kevin Philipps

Worse than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush by John W. Dean

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